tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post8283446485473684249..comments2024-03-29T04:32:20.232-07:00Comments on Idiosyncratic Whisk: Housing: Part 174 - San Francisco as the next DetroitKevin Erdmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07431566729667544886noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-7210940520276742762016-08-22T08:57:22.679-07:002016-08-22T08:57:22.679-07:00I'm just spit-balling here, but on the topic o...I'm just spit-balling here, but on the topic of rent-seeking in Detroit generally going to middle class union workers, etc. while in SF it is taken through housing and is more exclusionary, I wonder if the entire pattern gets reversed.<br /><br />In Detroit, the collapse of the source of economic rents meant that the working classes moved away. In SF, the working class move away because of rent seeking. When the source of economic rents collapse, maybe the migration will reverse and high income households will move away while low income households move back in.Kevin Erdmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07431566729667544886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-30785031341991675572016-08-21T21:40:37.156-07:002016-08-21T21:40:37.156-07:00What's really funny is that Detroit has such a...What's really funny is that Detroit has such a terrible reputation that it's probably the best city in the nation in terms of wage/COL for white collar workers. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16655062802402907887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-723358886916565832016-08-20T20:07:58.256-07:002016-08-20T20:07:58.256-07:00Thanks for the input!Thanks for the input!Kevin Erdmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07431566729667544886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-60259025197598707862016-08-19T21:41:53.185-07:002016-08-19T21:41:53.185-07:00Interesting idea that SF could ever go the way of ...Interesting idea that SF could ever go the way of Detroit. Just FYI, Greater Detroit still has a bigger GDP than Greater Phoenix, and Greater Detroit is smaller. <br /><br />As far as self driving cars are concerned, they will never catch on in Las Vegas. People hate the idea of no steering wheel. These will be controlled by centralized computers in some office somewhere. That is what Google/Ford are NOT telling people. Las Vegas people believe this is a scam and certainly, if the main computer is hacked, we are talking about thousands upon thousands of accidents. Remember Delta if you think you trust a massive system to keep you safe in a car. Gary Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499434824034613894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-3851615615807594642016-08-19T12:44:48.552-07:002016-08-19T12:44:48.552-07:00LA has at least two major agglomerations: entertai...LA has at least two major agglomerations: entertainment and import/export.<br /><br />The entertainment agglomerations – movies, TV, and music – are clustered on the north and south sides of the Hollywood Hills.<br /><br />The import/export agglomeration is built around the port, which is the best link from the US to Asia, and the rail connections, which are the best link from the interior of US to the Pacific. There are a lot of logistics centers in Riverside/San Bernadino, where cargo from the ships is routed to trucks or rail. Lots of professional service jobs support the industry: accountants, lawyers, and insurers. There are also lots of manufacturing jobs in Greater LA that are built on top of the world-class shipping node, like the garment industry – particularly fast fashion – and CPG manufacturing.<br /><br />The defense cluster, as Benjamin noted, died off when the cold war ended. The region had a bad decade economically in the 90s, but great metropolises usually don't go unused for long.<br /><br />Similarly, San Francisco had a bad decade economically from 2001-2010. There were lots of attempts to build a cleantech or biotech agglomeration, but the GFC + tech rebirth sucked all the oxygen (housing/office space/VC money) out of the room.Rafael Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-80693488622111797462016-08-19T11:48:22.301-07:002016-08-19T11:48:22.301-07:00Michael Moore should be proud, I guess.Michael Moore should be proud, I guess.Kevin Erdmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07431566729667544886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-68334336831377013002016-08-19T11:47:48.876-07:002016-08-19T11:47:48.876-07:00Hm. Has tech left LA? I haven't quite put my...Hm. Has tech left LA? I haven't quite put my finger on LA. Avg. incomes there aren't particularly high because of high Hispanic immigrant population, but there are definitely pockets of high income. NYC has finance, fashion, trade, etc. Boston has biotech, etc. SF has info tech. LA doesn't seem to have an archetype - entertainment, some tech, some trade, etc. Jet Propulsion Lab is there, etc.Kevin Erdmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07431566729667544886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-74962819006872376232016-08-19T10:43:42.850-07:002016-08-19T10:43:42.850-07:00"In the case of automakers, we now have the p..."In the case of automakers, we now have the perverse outcome that there is a thriving automobile manufacturing industry in the country except for the one place that was in a position to maintain it."<br /><br />-There are still 24K auto manufacturing jobs in Metro Detroit and 2K in Metro Flint.pithomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13997094225496018110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110014885778996459.post-20931644995181435752016-08-19T00:42:35.644-07:002016-08-19T00:42:35.644-07:00Forgotten today is that Los Angeles was the high-t...Forgotten today is that Los Angeles was the high-tech hotbed of the 1950-70s with many aerospace firms and spinoff technologies there. The laser was invented in Malibu! The tech is gone, but the region kept growing, I think mostly on weather and Hollywood. The smog is gone. <br /><br />That's the enduring facet of the West Coast, it is the nicest place to live nearly in the entire world. <br /><br />The region can crap on business and wanna-be residents forever, unfortunately.Benjamin Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14001038338873263877noreply@blogger.com